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Kathryn_t	1000. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 6 2011, 1:32 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2011, 1:32 AM EDT Part 2...... Unlike law, religion runs deep in the human psyche ( priests know this!), so it can be a great force for good or evil, depending on the nature of the faith stream. My own path (I'm a Witch) has no established Priesthood for that very reason, even though I am an initiated pagan priestess, it gives me no authority whatever, being merely an indication of a level of learning (and hopefully wisdom!). Yes, people come to me for advice, but I will never tell them what to do.....The answers are within them., and perhaps I help them to find them. But they are their answers, not mine. To quote a modern writer's words..... "know that your seeking will avail you naught unless you know the mystery. If that which you seek you find not within you, you will never find it without; for I have been with you from the beginning, and I am that which is attained at the end of desire". The answers are within us all, not in the pages of a book, the tenets of a law or the dictates of a priest or politician. The present system has to change, and change fairly soon, or this pretty blue planet will not be able to support us. Less people, less greed, more love, more honour and integrity.... that is the path we must walk if we are to save ourselves....... Tiyawn si atan ulte Eywa ngahu.. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Darkah	1001. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 6 2011, 5:08 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2011, 5:08 PM EDT Hi Valdamar, where would you find a more up to date version? I've been out of the loop for quite a while because of the way my computer has been behaving. Hi to all by the way. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Darkah	1002. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 6 2011, 5:12 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 6 2011, 5:12 PM EDT I found it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	1003. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 7 2011, 2:18 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 7 2011, 2:18 AM EDT I see you Kathryn_t, My wife, who lectures in psychology here at the local University, agrees with your approach. However there is a problem here that needs to be overcome. The world’s population has a momentum such that it requires the planning lead time of 150 years or more. No governments in the World think this far ahead. They have problems enough organizing an informative Carbon tax, little alone a sustainable population policy. My prediction is that as the world’s population problems become more evident, religious institutions will grow stronger. Consequently in AVATAR 2, we possibly could expect Churches to rise up and become the dominant power again. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	1004. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 7 2011, 2:24 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 7 2011, 2:24 AM EDT "Hi Valdamar, where would you find a more up to date version? I've been out of the loop for quite a while because of the way my computer has been behaving. Hi to all by the way." I see you Darkah, I assume you are referring to my crude predicted AVATAR 2 story post. It is located at post number 55 on this website. I have been trying to think of why James Cameron would send our intrepid adventurers under the seas of Pandora in AVATAR 2. In light of my story, I suspect there is an underwater radio beacon and/or a space ship that is malfunctioning, e.g. Eywa has lost contact with it. The sea is probably one of the best places to hide such technology from plain sight. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Kathryn_t	1005. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 7 2011, 5:31 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 7 2011, 5:31 AM EDT Kaltxi Valdemar, I fear that you asre right.....it will get a lot worse before it gets better..... sigh.... Eywa ngahu Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Darkah	1006. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 14 2011, 11:49 PM EDT "I see you Darkah, I assume you are referring to my crude predicted AVATAR 2 story post. It is located at post number 55 on this website. I have been trying to think of why James Cameron would send our intrepid adventurers under the seas of Pandora in AVATAR 2. In light of my story, I suspect there is an underwater radio beacon and/or a space ship that is malfunctioning, e.g. Eywa has lost contact with it. The sea is probably one of the best places to hide such technology from plain sight. " I'm sorry Valdamar, with all due respect, but I just don't see it going the way you envision. I think that Eywa is a separate entity with a complete awareness centered on Pandora. I just don't see Pandora as anything but what it appears to be at first impression. What you see is what has evolved on this little world just as it has here on Earth only Pandora is in a much earlier stage of development. No other alien influence or machines etc. That's just my take. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Kathryn_t	1007. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 15 2011, 1:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 15 2011, 1:18 AM EDT Kaltxi Darkah and Valdemar , Others here may not be aware of the Valdemar stories, and the power and 'connectedness' of the Heralds; I assume that that is the source of your nom de plume. Those stories are quite similar in ethos to the Pandora story, and its inhabitants who link with Eywa, the spirit of the planet and all that dwell there. What the theme of the sequels will be, we will just have to wait and see..... The value of Avatar-1 is that it has awakened a consciousness in the minds of many that were ignorant of it, of the immanent spirit that exists all around and within us. The common paradigm of all Abrahamic spiritual systems is that the Divine is only transcendent, and the Avatar film presented another view in a very palatable way to those that were unaware of such ideas before seeing it. Continued....... Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Kathryn_t	1008. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Aug 15 2011, 1:09 AM EDT For me, a Witch who is all too well aware of the power of Spirit in all things, the film told me that Cameron, and many in his audiences, are picking up on this idea that has been vilified and rejected by most of the 'mainstream' systems. This was, as you can imagine, a very pleasant revelation for me. Sometimes, we Pagans feel very much a voice in the wilderness. We don't prosletyse as a matter of doctrine, and it is refreshing to see someone in the mass media promulgating ideas with which we find ourselves very much in accord. The resemblance between the concept of Eywa and the Gaia/Great Mother Goddess hypothesis is very striking. So don't despair people, there is a small but growing body of people in the world that see our salvation in a quite different direction than that taken by our politicians and industrialists. Tiyawn si atan ulte Eywa ngahu Post reply Do you find this valuable?
WazzaJ	1009. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Nov 1 2011, 8:58 PM EDT \| Post edited: Nov 1 2011, 8:58 PM EDT How are you now,honorguard.?,,Hope you have managed to continue your life & have re-joined with your sisters karma.You must remember we have & will never live in a perfect world.I hope you have found fulfilling relationships with others and realized the cinema is not an education but something to be left behind after a few hours. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Allrock	1010. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Nov 2 2011, 12:30 PM EDT Here in vermont a very dedicated group of people have created what is called the "Council of all beings" to understand where this group orignated you need to know a little history and know its one of many groups being formed around the country The grandmothers group (and grandfathers as well) are a group of Indigoius elders (called the 13 grandmothers) that have been called together to speak on the issues the earth is facing , here is a link about them and the group history if intrested. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASE0Ri_0F8g" there are of course other links to follow if you wish, When they visit they form a local council in each state its the local council that trys to find the Root cause to issues of local enviromental and conflict issues and to raise awareness to the underlying causes behind them they have been very well receved here and are open to all faiths this second link is about the vermont councel of all beings and be warned the video a work in progress and is not well orgnised yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqizsPv2jI its just an example with clips from some of there events also be aware they hold council in the statehouse and are very much for a goverment that is held "accountable" at all levels for its actions. This works very well in vermont but in states that are less tolerent we shall see. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Eyaye	1011. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Nov 6 2011, 9:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 6 2011, 9:30 PM EST Kaltxi all my brothers and sisters! I just watched avatar for the fist time in about 6 months this weekend. I had a huge test I had to pass to keep my job, so I used avatar as incentive and a reward. I didn't even listen to the music. What a joy. Once again I cry in the same places of both joy and sorrow, sobbing when Jake must be Tsute's last shadow till Jake opens his eyes, truly Na'vi. Now my study of the Na'vi language can continue. I am so happy to hear more news of the sequels, and I can't wait to go to pandora at Disney in Orlando. With JC a the helm of the design etc, I know it will be amazing. It's always been a great sorrow to know I could not go to pandora, so this will be the next best thing. I hope you are all well, all you originals, honorguard, Vanessa, akjeff, owl shaman, and all our faithful newcomers as well. Eywa ngahu. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Allrock	1012. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Nov 7 2011, 8:50 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 7 2011, 8:50 PM EST Please be aware I am simply listing the groups as an "Example" of involved people , I am not trying to promote them or sugest people change there religious views etc Post reply Do you find this valuable?
lolgirl555234	1013. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Jan 25 2012, 10:54 PM EST I finally found ppl who experienced the emotion of the movie! Everyone said its just of a movie! But to me that's what a good is all about, something that moves you! The movie had stunning movie affects but it had a story! And I was emotional during and after the movie! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Kathryn_t	1014. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Jan 25 2012, 11:14 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 25 2012, 11:15 PM EST Oel ngati kameie lolgirl...... Yes.... the movie was just that.... moving! It showed corporate humanity at its worst (and they do stuff like that here and now!), but it also showed humanity at its magnificent best. Many took away the ideas of the spirituality of the Na'vi people, and were changed by those ideas. I am pagan (a witch) so I found myself very much in tune with the Na'vi's respect and reverence for all the creatures on their planet, and the living planet itself. My own spirituality is virtually identical..... I wish I could get a ticket to Pandora, and of course a Na'vi body to go with it. Life there can be hard, yes, but so much less corrupt and so much better for the spirit than the mess we have made here. James Cameron showed genius in creating this epic film, and even the language has become global, with many thousands learning it with some fluency. I really should be one of them by now, but I have been slack!. Kiavame ulte Eywa nghau... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Allrock	1015. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Jan 27 2012, 8:49 PM EST "I'm glad I found this thread. Makes me feel a little more comfortable feeling the way I do. I have seen the movie three times and may see it a fourth. I too have felt a feeling of a sorrow after seeing this movie. It has lingered for days. I almost feel out of touch with some of the people around me. My girlfriend liked the movie but does not feel the same way as I do. While I understand that Pandora doesn't exist (that we know of) I can't help but compare it to Earth as well as humans and their relationship with the Earth. Especially after seeing this movie, I have grown critical of the attitudes of people running in this rat race we call life who constantly drift further and further from our original relationship with this Earth. But I have to give myself a heavy dose of reality and just use the feelings this movie gave me to be a better, stronger person. and I have taken many more walks in the woods lately, so thats cool. " I saw the film 2 years ago and simply stated my life changed, while I never connected to fantasy aspects of the film its mirror connections to the real world issues where very strong and even today I simply dont look at day to day life and the natural world in the same light out of intrest I decided to research Avatars connections and found just how much work went into the films spiritual and cultural links running under avatars fantasy shell they are very well researched and presented Simply stated "Avatar is a Mirror" look at at ourselves. and its not suprising many did not like what they saw. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Valdamar	1016. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Sep 2 2012, 3:50 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 6 2012, 4:01 AM EDT In case you haven’t heard, AVATAR 2 is not likely to be seen on the big screen in 2014 as originally planned, but a year later in 2015, 6 years after AVATAR. You may remember that it takes a comparable 6 years for the Space Ship Venture Star and her sister ship to travel from Earth to Pandora. If we compare this time frame to the making of AVATAR 2 and we were on Venture Star’s sister ship, then we would be rapidly approaching the half-way point in our journey to Pandora. Not only this, all the major cast and crew would be an authentic 6 years older in the ongoing story. For those that are interested, assuming that the Venture star had a top cruising speed that matched the speed of light, it typically would take about 1 year to reach this speed with a comfortable acceleration that equalled 1 Earth’s gravity, i.e. about 10 m/second/second, or an acceleration that won’t crush the astronauts to death. About half a light year out from Pandora, the Venture Star would turn around and similarly decelerate at 1 Earth’s gravity to a suitable orbit speed around Pandora. In total the trip would last about 5.3 years. We know that Earth is a crowded place and that there are wars going on over ever declining finite resources. As a result I’m speculating that many countries on Earth would be in a depopulating mode of management; and it is highly likely that Jake Sully’s status as a younger twin has been unfairly treated in this process. For example, if your country is in a depopulating mode of management, then there are likely to be strong economic disincentives for family sizes greater than 3. The average family would be struggling to survive under such a policy. If you were not well off and you’re a fourth child, then you would be economically forced to make your way in life by indenturing yourself in the armed services as Jake has done. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	1017. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Sep 2 2012, 3:51 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 2 2012, 3:51 AM EDT To date we know little of the politics on Earth, however there is little doubt that RDA would have a rival or two in the fight for resources on Pandora. We also know little about the state of play of religion in the world, however the Judaeo-Christian religions are probably still reeling from the shock that there is confirmed life on other planets and they are now planning to regain their disenchanted flock; and their political power by rewriting the Book of Genesis to include the Na’vi. Consequently there is a good chance that we would see missionaries on the next Venture Star sister ship. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised that the next mission to Pandora is entirely funded by one or more of these religious organisations. As a consequence Venture star’s sister ship is named Genesis II. This next trip had been planned by RDA to the last detail before we even met Jake Sully. Unfortunately for Jake this plan included the murder of his elder scientist twin brother in an effort to subvert and control RDA’s own fiercely independent Avatar program. Unbeknown to Jake, he was destined to become RDA’s inside man in the Avatar program. However things don’t always go according to plan… As you may recall the Avatar program was designed to win over the hearts and minds of the Na’vi; a perfectly reasonable approach if you treat the Na’vi like humans. However the Na’vi, who are perfected organic versions of Cameron’s own robot and metal terminators, do not think like humans. Instead their everyday life and their desires are independently controlled by a spiritual entity called Eywa. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	1018. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Sep 2 2012, 3:53 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 2 2012, 3:53 AM EDT It appears that Eywa is destined to maintain the balance of life on Pandora in a sustainable Darwinian manor. As a consequence, Pandora is a wild pristine paradise; a fact that has struck a chord with many of the people who have love this movie. I think that we all obviously know that what we currently see on Earth is not quite right, and long for it to be otherwise with a saddened sense of hope. However I cannot help think that we too on Earth can have an Eywa in the form of a computer program that models and controls the Earth’s finite resources in an intrinsic sustainable fashion. However short sighted and strong economic vested interests are obviously making this a difficult proposition at the moment. Like a massive brain, Eywa is located within plants and their interconnected root systems all over Pandora. Every time the Na’vi go to sleep in their living hammocks their thoughts and dreams are monitored, and if necessary altered by Eywa through their platted sensing queues. I have previously speculated that this type of technology is not normal to any natural world, and cannot come about unless there is intelligent gene manipulation by another highly intelligent entity; which I will call the Progenitors. This theory obviously begs the question, why would the progenitors go to the trouble to do such a thing. I have also speculated that the progenitors have done this to protect their own genetic gene pool from their own selfish self-destruction; from destruction by natural phenomena such as extreme volcanic activity, asteroid impacts, by nearby supernova type explosions and from destruction by other potentially aggressive star faring races. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	1019. RE: Who else experienced a feeling of sorrow after watching Avatar? Sep 2 2012, 3:54 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 2 2012, 3:54 AM EDT I have also speculated that the Na’vi and much of the life on Pandora have come about as a result of a direct panspermia program by the Progenitors. This is achieved by sending out star ships to nearby star systems and then seed then with sustainable life where ever favourable, e.g. within the Goldilocks zone. However before they do this, when the starship reaches a suitable star system it purposely smashes asteroids into suitable planets in a giant supercollider fashion to obtain unobtanium and other suitable starship construction materials. These special by-products are then used in the drive systems and structure of the next generation of star ships, and so on… However, before the starships leave, they seed the healing planet with new life and leave behind the seemingly benign Na’vi and Eywa as symbiotic guardians. They also leave behind hidden state of the art mechanical weapon systems for protection against other unfriendly and aggressive star faring races. The weapons can only be used by the Na’vi with their queuing systems and genetically enhanced computer like brains. From this chain of events one has to obviously ask the question, was the dinosaur killing asteroid that slammed into Earth 65 million years ago a directed panspermia attempt or was it really a natural phenomenon? For those of you who have not kept up with JC’s movements of late, you may be interested to know that he has built a submarine to travel to the deepest part of the world’s oceans, and has recently become part of a consortium of investors to mine asteroids. Clearly there is room for lots of exciting twists and turns in future AVATAR sequels. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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