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Churchill51	240. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Feb 27 2010, 7:32 PM EST "Stephen Lang (Quaritch) has been reported as saying that he will be in the next sequel as long as they have his DNA. If this was to occur then the most plausible explanation would be that it was his avatar that was killed by Naytiri. " Or the more believable version would be that they could clone Quaritch from his remains. Or he is some how reincarnated on Pandora. Remember when Quaritch was talking about his first day on Pandora, he got that wicked scar and he said they could fix him up and make him pretty again. He said he liked it though, reminded him of what's out there. Why would he need reminding if that body was just an avatar, essentially expendable any way? Plus, why would they offer to fix his scar? It obviously wasn't a fatal injury, just a aesthetic one at that. I don't think your Avatar Quaritch idea has any weight. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	241. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Feb 27 2010, 9:17 PM EST "Or the more believable version would be that they could clone Quaritch from his remains. Or he is some how reincarnated on Pandora. Remember when Quaritch was talking about his first day on Pandora, he got that wicked scar and he said they could fix him up and make him pretty again. He said he liked it though, reminded him of what's out there. Why would he need reminding if that body was just an avatar, essentially expendable any way? Plus, why would they offer to fix his scar? It obviously wasn't a fatal injury, just a aesthetic one at that. I don't think your Avatar Quaritch idea has any weight. " The avatar reincarnation route would mean that he still has all his memories in tact. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Darkah	242. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Feb 27 2010, 9:21 PM EST "Or the more believable version would be that they could clone Quaritch from his remains. Or he is some how reincarnated on Pandora. Remember when Quaritch was talking about his first day on Pandora, he got that wicked scar and he said they could fix him up and make him pretty again. He said he liked it though, reminded him of what's out there. Why would he need reminding if that body was just an avatar, essentially expendable any way? Plus, why would they offer to fix his scar? It obviously wasn't a fatal injury, just a aesthetic one at that. I don't think your Avatar Quaritch idea has any weight. " Excellent point Churchill51, about the scar etc. Very good argument for there not being an avatar for Quaritch. Besides the fact that for there to be an avatar, there would also have to be a real Quaritch to drive it. Why would that be any different for human avatars? Quaritch died by Neytiri's hand.! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JordanMcQuay	243. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Feb 27 2010, 10:03 PM EST Plus, going on about Quaritch having an avatar, the actor said that about his DNA with, I thought, a bit of humor. However, the idea of a spirit's rebirth is interesting. Cameron hasn't told us enough about Eywa to rule that out. If rebirth is part of the dogma, then a lot of RDA employees who died fighting the Na'vi are ironically facing the possibility of being reborn as Na'vi. Going back to Quaritch's DNA. It would have to be on file somewhere. A body in the topical heat disintegrates quickly. Plus, horrid as it may sound, there would be animals enjoying all those dead bodies. Nature's clean-up crew would be busy asap. If you have read Cyteen or anything factual about cloning, the clone may look like the original although that isn't necessarily a given, but it will not have the original's memories or skills. There are some aspects of our being that develop through our experiences. Remember The Boys from Brazil? It isn't easy to recreate experiences, and the clone is not the same person any more than identical twins are two copies of the same person. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Churchill51	244. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Feb 27 2010, 10:31 PM EST "Excellent point Churchill51, about the scar etc. Very good argument for there not being an avatar for Quaritch. Besides the fact that for there to be an avatar, there would also have to be a real Quaritch to drive it. Why would that be any different for human avatars? Quaritch died by Neytiri's hand.!" And besides all the scientific routes, did Quaritch really seem like the type to agree to being pampered. I think that's how he would see it. Even though he was calling the shots from relative safety in the Dragon, he was never shy to get his hands dirty. He also said that the "avatar program is a bad joke". Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Churchill51	245. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Feb 27 2010, 10:35 PM EST "Plus, going on about Quaritch having an avatar, the actor said that about his DNA with, I thought, a bit of humor. However, the idea of a spirit's rebirth is interesting. Cameron hasn't told us enough about Eywa to rule that out. If rebirth is part of the dogma, then a lot of RDA employees who died fighting the Na'vi are ironically facing the possibility of being reborn as Na'vi. Going back to Quaritch's DNA. It would have to be on file somewhere. A body in the topical heat disintegrates quickly. Plus, horrid as it may sound, there would be animals enjoying all those dead bodies. Nature's clean-up crew would be busy asap. If you have read Cyteen or anything factual about cloning, the clone may look like the original although that isn't necessarily a given, but it will not have the original's memories or skills. There are some aspects of our being that develop through our experiences. Remember The Boys from Brazil? It isn't easy to recreate experiences, and the clone is not the same person any more than identical twins are two copies of the same person." Very interesting thought, about all the deceased being reborn on Pandora. But, I would like to think Eywa has a sense of humour. Perhaps all the nasty RDA Mercs would be reborn as the Pandoran equivalent to a dung beetle. The only person I could understand and see having a human Avatar is Selfridge. He seems like a ***** enough to take out that kind of insurance for himself. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	246. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 3 2010, 3:36 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 3 2010, 3:36 AM EST "Very interesting thought, about all the deceased being reborn on Pandora. But, I would like to think Eywa has a sense of humour. Perhaps all the nasty RDA Mercs would be reborn as the Pandoran equivalent to a dung beetle. The only person I could understand and see having a human Avatar is Selfridge. He seems like a ***** enough to take out that kind of insurance for himself." I have previously speculated that only the top managemnent team of RDA have avatars due to the danger of the job and the serious risk of totally disrupting RDA's operations on Pandora. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	247. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 3 2010, 3:37 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 3 2010, 3:37 AM EST James Cameron recently commented that the Sequel may be called Na’vi; primarily because our hero has moved beyond being an avatar. The sequel is now about the Na’vi, which I am sure a lot of fans will be happy about. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Churchill51	248. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 3 2010, 8:20 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 3 2010, 8:20 AM EST "James Cameron recently commented that the Sequel may be called Na’vi; primarily because our hero has moved beyond being an avatar. The sequel is now about the Na’vi, which I am sure a lot of fans will be happy about." I am very happy that they are thinking of calling the sequel that. He also stated that due to the great reception on behalf of the fans, more of the spiritual side of the Na'vi will be revealed as well. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JordanMcQuay	249. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 3 2010, 9:05 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 3 2010, 9:05 AM EST I;m looking forward to the sequel already. Well, that isn't new. I bet there is a Na'vi child named Grace. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	250. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 4 2010, 9:20 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 4 2010, 9:20 PM EST JC was recently asked in an interview, “if the Na’vi are a different species, why do the females have breasts?” JC’s replied that the move was made for a human audience. However all female placental mammals typically have breasts, and this is evident in the belly buttons of all Na’vi. In addition to this, “AVATAR , An activist Survival Guide” classified the Na’vi as Homo pandorus, which tends to indicate that Humans and the Na’vi are related and that Cameron did not want to let the “cat out of the bag” on this tie in plot story? Or, I could be wrong and he still hasn’t thought about this potential historical relationship yet. In previous posts of mine I have suggested a possible story plot line to explain how humans could be related to the Na’vi. Here they are again: In this post I want to discuss what I think is the potential relationship between Von Neumann probes, unobtanium, and ultimately an explanation for the presence of Eywa on Pandora. As a reminder, Von Neumann probes are the cheapest way of exploring the whole Universe. The probes are sent out to the nearest star systems. When they arrive they start using the local resources such as asteroids, moons and planets for the construction of new probes destined for the next star systems. In each case the observed information about the local star system is sent back to the original launch site via a network of sentinel probes for analysis by the progenitor race. The probes may also have directives such as to look out for life on other worlds through to populating and nurturing life on other worlds with the purpose of insuring the survival of life throughout the galaxy. This is also the best way of sending the real progenitor race in person to other stars and their planets. This strategy also best insures the DNA of the progenitor race is preserved throughout time. This method also allows the progeny to better adapt to the local conditions through the long process of evolution. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	251. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 4 2010, 9:22 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 4 2010, 9:22 PM EST In the world of AVATAR, this is what I think has happened on Pandora and possibly Earth, e.g. it is theorized that an asteroid slammed into the earth 65 million years ago and caused the extinction of the dinosaurs; an event that eventually resulted in the development of humans on Earth. In the book “AVATAR, an Activist Survival Guide”, it is theorized that unobtanium is produced as a result of a collision between 2 large planet masses, e.g. a moon and an asteroid. What if this was done on purpose by a Von Neumann probe as a way of producing unobtanium for power systems and star drives systems in the next generation Von Neumann probes. After the new probes are built the most suitable planet in the solar system is then seeded with new life forms. The probe then takes on the role of Eywa, and nurtures the balance of life. Now this whole process could have been devised by a progenitor race as a form of insurance against mismanagement and environmental destruction, or destruction by another aggressive star faring race. Does anyone have any comments about this possible sub-story plotline? Would you like to see such a Human and Na’vi relationship being revealed, and an explanation for female Na’vi breasts in the prequel or subsequent sequel? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JoshZitovsky	252. RE: A sequal to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 4 2010, 10:31 PM EST "James did mention that there are several moons revolving around Polyphemus, which Pandora is one of them, and he might just give the rest a visit. Perhaps. Maybe there's no more Na'vi? Another new race?" Probally not, or else he would have to make a whole new world. he even stated it would take less time because the world of pandora was already develuped. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JoshZitovsky	253. RE: A sequal to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 4 2010, 10:33 PM EST Maybe Eywa will turn against the planet, or maybe something else internal of pandora. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JordanMcQuay	254. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 5 2010, 9:09 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 5 2010, 9:09 AM EST Well, I'm not J.C., but in my world all mammals have breasts regardless of the number of feet they sport. At the end of the "original" script posted online, it is mentioned that Neytiri is obviously pregnant. To me, that indicates she is a mammal. Would life forms on other planets follow similar paths to life forms on this planet? I don't have a guess on that one. Your idea about the Von Neumann probe is an interesting one. Eywa being a probe sounds a bit too much like Jane in the Ender books, but that may just be me. Well, now that I think about it, McCaffery had a sentient computer, and I believe one of Weber's series did as well. You may be on a creditable path there. The question remains, does J.C. lean towards technical oversight or spiritual oversight? Your guess may be better than mine. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	255. RE: A sequal to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 6 2010, 12:41 AM EST "Probally not, or else he would have to make a whole new world. he even stated it would take less time because the world of pandora was already develuped. " This proposed subplot does not require a change in the world that is Pandora. However the key components of the plot would have to be introduced by the end of the next sequel or at the beginning of the sequel after that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	256. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 6 2010, 3:59 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 6 2010, 3:59 PM EST "Well, I'm not J.C., but in my world all mammals have breasts regardless of the number of feet they sport. At the end of the "original" script posted online, it is mentioned that Neytiri is obviously pregnant. To me, that indicates she is a mammal. Would life forms on other planets follow similar paths to life forms on this planet? I don't have a guess on that one. Your idea about the Von Neumann probe is an interesting one. Eywa being a probe sounds a bit too much like Jane in the Ender books, but that may just be me. Well, now that I think about it, McCaffery had a sentient computer, and I believe one of Weber's series did as well. You may be on a creditable path there. The question remains, does J.C. lean towards technical oversight or spiritual oversight? Your guess may be better than mine." Eywa could be a real living organic entity with a highly developed intelligence, however she may also be aware of who was responsible for creating her in the first place, e.g. the mother probe that is probably on one of the other moons of Polyphemus sending messages back to the progenitors. Because of popular demand by fans (Note that JC or his subordinates are probably taking note of what is being said in a fan site like this), I suspect that JC will lean more towards the spiritual side of things in the next sequel, however this will be changed more to the technical side of things when an all out conflict in space begins in the following sequel. My proposal of the Von Neumann probes will add depth to the plot line. It potential could result in the probes manufacturing space craft specifically for the Na'vi and their queue's for example. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	257. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 6 2010, 4:00 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 6 2010, 4:00 PM EST While ever there is a miss match in technological development between the Terrains and the Na’vi, the Na’vi will always be subjugated and exploited. I would not like to see this type of legacy for the Na’vi. If I was writing this story, and I wanted it to continue indefinitely, then I would introduce a 3rd alien species, a species that is not on friendly terms with the likes of Eywa or her progenitors for instance. This approach would add more depth to the plot again and would create a 3 way rock-scissors-paper environment where one species is dependant on the other for survival. Note that most natural living environments depend on a diversity of life being present for survival. With this type of environment is in place the story plotline can be opened up to encompass the entire habitable galaxy. This is also where the future dollars are. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	258. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 10 2010, 6:07 PM EST By not winning the Oscars and many other prestigious awards for best director and best picture this time round, I suspect that this will spur JC on to produce a sequel that will introduce more human relationship drama in any future sequel. This will be done on purpose to help allay any fears that the industry may have about the relationship between real acting and onscreen performance capture presentation. Consequently the sequel will be a grand opportunity to highlight and explore the full depth and potential of the performance capture technology that was developed in AVATAR. This however will mean that the story telling pace of the movie will be slowed down so that we can enjoy “smelling the roses” along the way. Would anybody like to see more human relationship drama in future sequels? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	259. RE: A sequel to AVATAR 2/2 Mar 12 2010, 3:17 AM EST Apart from winning 3 Oscars at the Academy awards recently, I thought the best back handed compliment that AVATAR received in the presentation ceremony cam from the winner of the best Foreign Language Film, Juan José Campanella, who said that he was lucky that use of Na’vi did not qualify AVATAR as a foreign language film. I suspect that Na’vi will play a more dominant role in the next sequel, and may very well qualify AVATAR’s sequel as a foreign language film. Now this would be an unprecedented first time feat. For those of us who can’t get enough of AVATAR, I read recently that because AVATAR’s money earning run has dramatically come to a halt because it has recently been bumped out of many 3D cinemas by Disney’s Alice in Wonder Land; that Fox studio may rerelease AVATAR shortly with an extra 10 minutes of film to help revive its money earning career. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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