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victoryblade |
Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 19 2010, 8:19 PM EST
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Although the love theme of Avatar revolved directly around Jake and Neytiri, there may have also been another much lower-profile romance going on between some of the other main characters. I took a look at the complete Avatar script by James Cameron online. It includes deleted scenes and a few edited lines. For instance, in the scene when Trudy frees Jake, Grace, and Norm, she plants a kiss on Norm as he runs out of the cell. Then Norm tells her "Baby, you rock." Also, in the original script for the epic battle, Trudy sacrifices herself by making a kamikaze run at Quaritch's warship to prevent it from reaching the Tree of Souls. As Norm watches from the jungle below, he shouts "No!" Trudy's last words before the collision are "Norm, I love you." I know this story may not seem that important but it may still be something of interest to those who want to explore more in depth of the other characters.http://www.foxscreenings.com/media/pdf/JamesCameronAVATAR.pdf 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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1. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 19 2010, 10:55 PM EST
"Although the love theme of Avatar revolved directly around Jake and Neytiri, there may have also been another much lower-profile romance going on between some of the other main characters. I took a look at the complete Avatar script by James Cameron online. It includes deleted scenes and a few edited lines. For instance, in the scene when Trudy frees Jake, Grace, and Norm, she plants a kiss on Norm as he runs out of the cell. Then Norm tells her "Baby, you rock." Also, in the original script for the epic battle, Trudy sacrifices herself by making a kamikaze run at Quaritch's warship to prevent it from reaching the Tree of Souls. As Norm watches from the jungle below, he shouts "No!" Trudy's last words before the collision are "Norm, I love you." I know this story may not seem that important but it may still be something of interest to those who want to explore more in depth of the other characters."Lmfao..? can you give me a link of the script were it says that? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Zahelu |
2. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 20 2010, 12:20 AM EST
Interesting. Not that I'd complain if these scenese passed the editing room, but perhaps it was removed as they wanted viewers to zone in on Jake's and Neytiri's emotions as the movie climaxed, instead of having to share the love among 2 couples.
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Churchill51 |
3. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 20 2010, 1:13 AM EST
"Interesting. Not that I'd complain if these scenese passed the editing room, but perhaps it was removed as they wanted viewers to zone in on Jake's and Neytiri's emotions as the movie climaxed, instead of having to share the love among 2 couples."That and can you really see the actor who played Norm hookin up with Rodriguez? I couldn't. Good call imo. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 20 2010, 7:39 AM EST
"Although the love theme of Avatar revolved directly around Jake and Neytiri, there may have also been another much lower-profile romance going on between some of the other main characters. I took a look at the complete Avatar script by James Cameron online. It includes deleted scenes and a few edited lines. For instance, in the scene when Trudy frees Jake, Grace, and Norm, she plants a kiss on Norm as he runs out of the cell. Then Norm tells her "Baby, you rock." Also, in the original script for the epic battle, Trudy sacrifices herself by making a kamikaze run at Quaritch's warship to prevent it from reaching the Tree of Souls. As Norm watches from the jungle below, he shouts "No!" Trudy's last words before the collision are "Norm, I love you." I know this story may not seem that important but it may still be something of interest to those who want to explore more in depth of the other characters.Never would have seen that coming. Opposites attract i guess? Do you find this valuable? |
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Zahelu |
5. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 20 2010, 2:06 PM EST
The bigger the gap in opposition, the larger the force of attraction. Like how does Neytiri fell for Jake, when the first instance we see them together was a scene of Neytiri with a high-strunged arrow aimed at Jake.
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Sorsa |
6. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 20 2010, 2:17 PM EST
Maybe, maybe. Maybe they decided to drop that romance off and give more room to Jake and Neytiri. That's the picture what i have ;)got. If all those thing would have been taken in, movie would have lasted 5h. I wouldn't mind, but someone else may do. :D Sometimes you have to make compromises. Do you find this valuable? |
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victoryblade |
7. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 21 2010, 11:28 AM EST
Maybe James Cameron did not want to make a repeat of the tragic love story from Titanic. There was already enough drama and emotions in the Avatar movie. That would of probably been too much for some of the audience to swallow.
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Polyamorous |
8. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 24 2010, 8:58 PM EST
Having read the script i would have said yeah. but james omitted that story for a reason. Michelle's(TRUDY) personality comes off as obviously gay. i think they knew that, and knew the audience wouldn't have bought a love story between the two.
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Churchill51 |
9. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 24 2010, 10:43 PM EST
"Having read the script i would have said yeah. but james omitted that story for a reason. Michelle's(TRUDY) personality comes off as obviously gay. i think they knew that, and knew the audience wouldn't have bought a love story between the two. "She didn't come off as gay to me. Not every female with a military background who doesn't take crap from nobody is gay lol. Do you find this valuable? |
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Polyamorous |
10. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 24 2010, 11:49 PM EST
"She didn't come off as gay to me. Not every female with a military background who doesn't take crap from nobody is gay lol. "I Absolutely agree. demi moore in G.I. Jane never came off gay. not even for a moment. maybe i''m a little biased in my opinion, knowing she actually is gay in real life. Do you find this valuable? |
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Churchill51 |
11. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 25 2010, 12:56 AM EST
"I Absolutely agree. demi moore in G.I. Jane never came off gay. not even for a moment. maybe i''m a little biased in my opinion, knowing she actually is gay in real life. "Wait a second, Michelle R. is gay? I never knew that. Haha. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zahelu |
12. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 26 2010, 4:52 AM EST
No, there's mention that MR's personality came off as gay, not that she's actually gay. Right?Either way, she's hot, and Norm... well they'd make an odd couple, but likable. Do you find this valuable? |
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Polyamorous |
13. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 26 2010, 9:41 AM EST
"No, there's mention that MR's personality came off as gay, not that she's actually gay. Right?well the character of trudy wasn't supposed to be. but Michelle R. has a girlfriend. she's had one for years. its common knowledge. and yeah your right either way she is one of the hottest things walking this planet. i love michelle Do you find this valuable? |
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Churchill51 |
14. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 26 2010, 6:33 PM EST
"well the character of trudy wasn't supposed to be. but Michelle R. has a girlfriend. she's had one for years. its common knowledge. and yeah your right either way she is one of the hottest things walking this planet. i love michelle"Actually I searched that up and she says she's into guys. Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 27 2010, 12:00 AM EST
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I think that an additional romance between Norm and Trudy would not be good for the film. Not only is Norm just a complete loser but those two rarely speak in the movie and that romance would be completely irrevalent from what James Cameron was trying to draw attention to- Neytiri and Jake. And yes it would complicate things and likely add 30 minutes (that I'm sure most people wouldn't care to see) to the movie. So, good call by JC to leave that one out.
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bi306b |
16. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 27 2010, 7:41 AM EST
"I think that an additional romance between Norm and Trudy would not be good for the film. Not only is Norm just a complete loser ..."RxÿæñTR, do you really think Norm was a complete loser? I’m not a great fan of his character but, after all, he did fight with the Na'vi after the Hometree disaster, and when his Avatar body was killed, didn’t he don a mask and go out to continue the fight? Actually I think he eventually chose the right path and redeemed himself, even though he started out rough and was harboring a great deal of resentment and jealousy towards Jake... Redemption runs deep in the movie; Norm from jealousy, Jake from apathy and meaningless existence, Neytrir from Hate (the sky-people killed her sister), Grace from hardness and unbelief... what do you think? Do you find this valuable? |
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victoryblade |
17. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 27 2010, 1:33 PM EST
"RxÿæñTR, do you really think Norm was a complete loser? I’m not a great fan of his character but, after all, he did fight with the Na'vi after the Hometree disaster, and when his Avatar body was killed, didn’t he don a mask and go out to continue the fight? Actually I think he eventually chose the right path and redeemed himself, even though he started out rough and was harboring a great deal of resentment and jealousy towards Jake... Redemption runs deep in the movie; Norm from jealousy, Jake from apathy and meaningless existence, Neytrir from Hate (the sky-people killed her sister), Grace from hardness and unbelief... what do you think?"You're right. This is exactly why I posted such a question. It receives an answer that leads to more in-depth discussion of the other characters. Each one of them can teach us some moral values that we can apply to our everyday life. Everyone deserves a second chance. Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 27 2010, 3:09 PM EST
"RxÿæñTR, do you really think Norm was a complete loser? I’m not a great fan of his character but, after all, he did fight with the Na'vi after the Hometree disaster, and when his Avatar body was killed, didn’t he don a mask and go out to continue the fight? Actually I think he eventually chose the right path and redeemed himself, even though he started out rough and was harboring a great deal of resentment and jealousy towards Jake... Redemption runs deep in the movie; Norm from jealousy, Jake from apathy and meaningless existence, Neytrir from Hate (the sky-people killed her sister), Grace from hardness and unbelief... what do you think?"As with you I would not categorize Norm as a loser. I must say though that I do not believe that his redeeming point was picking up a gun; and as you stated, joining the fight is after all a personal choice. In my opinion Norm is definitely a candidate for overzealous junior scientist that wears his knowledge as a social greeting card, a so called elitist; and Yes, Grace features the same characteristics minus the overzealous part mainly due to her age. I wonder though if the emotions we see flowing between Norm and Trudi are a result of Trudi adopting Norm as the group underdog, one in need of care and guidance as the “out of the lab” real world rushes in and a full conflict breaks out. You mention personal redemption as one of the movie’s attributes… and I’m not sure I understood your point of Neitiry needed redemption from hate. I seriously doubt that Neitiry needed to redeem herself from anything specifically hate. After all she is on the receiving end. Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Were Norm and Trudy secretly in love?
Jan 27 2010, 3:35 PM EST
"... You mention personal redemption as one of the movie’s attributes… and I’m not sure I understood your point of Neitiry needed redemption from hate. I seriously doubt that Neitiry needed to redeem herself from anything specifically hate. After all she is on the receiving end.äietxon, in the AVATAR screenplay (release script), Grace is talking to Jake about a photograph in her locker of Neytiri and her older sister Silwanin. (Grace had taught both of them at the schoolhouse in the picture). Turns out that Silwanin was later involved in a raid on a mining camp and so the troopers followed her into the schoolhouse.. Grace goes on to say, "The troopers pursued them to the schoolhouse. They killed Sylwanin in the doorway. Right in front of Neytiri. Then shot the others. I got most of the kids out, before they shot me. Neytiri was my best student” She goes on to say “A scientist stays objective -- we can not be ruled by emotion. But I poured ten years of my life into that school. They called me sa’atenuk. Mother! It’s a job. Learn what you can -- but don’t get attached." So by this story I gather that Grace had "hardened" her heart from compassion; she no longer listened to her own conscience, showing her right from wrong. Regarding the beautiful Neyteri, there also is a part in the screen play after she and Jake connect/mate; she is talking to Jake and it says; "She rises up, placing her fingertips to his chest -- This body is real. (she touches his forehead) This spirit is real. Her eyes are luminous, honest, infinitely deep. When I was first your teacher, I hated all Sky People. But you have also taught me. (whispering) Spirit is all that matters." This is why I believe that Grace and even even Neytiri found redemption. We all can learn something, that is why this movie was so great for me! 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |