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victoryblade |
Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 6 2010, 4:12 PM EST
Previous trilogies like Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings, and The Matrix were similar by maintaining the same cast of main characters. However with Avatar, this will not be the case. By the end of the film, most of the main characters were dead. Besides Jake and Neytiri, the only other surviving characters with a significant role were Norm (whose Avatar died) and Mo'at. This will lead to an interesting follow-up story. First of all, this is a lot more realistic because in real-life you can't expect all the heroes to survive. Second, this will make the sequels much more surprising and unpredictable. And finally, the drama will be escalated to greater heights. I'll be greatly anticipating Avatar 2, although I know it will be a long wait. I also know Avatar 2 has great potential for topping the first movie because many people will be anxious to know what happens next. Of course, this is also the reason why so many of us are posting all these blogs.
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AkGeff |
1. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 6 2010, 4:40 PM EST
Hmm I see your point, wonder if Jake and Neytiri "survive" the trilogy... Cameron has no qualm's about killing off characters if he deems it necessary to the plot though. I'm not sure if if was established that Norm's Avatar got killed. It looked to me that he took one shot to the shoulder so it could be spun in a lot of diffrent ways. Everyone seems to assume that transfering your consiousness permantently to your avatar is a given. What if it isn't? What if most of the "avatar drivers" aren't able to make the transfer permanently to their Avatars? There could be a host of reasons for this, for instance they are for the most part scientists and they're cup is "already full" they may not be able to make the transition. Plus unlike Jake with his paralysis they would be leaving / abandoning perfectly healthy bodies (almost a perverse form of suicide) to live in their avatars permanently with no option to return to human form if it is necessary to destroy the human body to make the transition permanent. Some of the Avatar drivers would probably have a hard time with commiting to that drastic a course of action. This could get realy wierd if not handled properly there are a lot of plot landmines in it. Do you find this valuable? |
methos54 |
2. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 6 2010, 11:43 PM EST
"Hmm I see your point, wonder if Jake and Neytiri "survive" the trilogy... Cameron has no qualm's about killing off characters if he deems it necessary to the plot though.At the end of the movie, Norm was in human form so its possible his avatar got killed, not sure if a wounded avatar can regenerate without medical attention. Plus they kept Max around I guess to attend to the pods so there still will be avatar drivers. If they all could make the transition it would be a pretty lonely place for Max. Do you find this valuable? |
Imsnoozin |
3. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 6 2010, 11:45 PM EST
"At the end of the movie, Norm was in human form so its possible his avatar got killed, not sure if a wounded avatar can regenerate without medical attention. Plus they kept Max around I guess to attend to the pods so there still will be avatar drivers. If they all could make the transition it would be a pretty lonely place for Max."His avatar wasn't killed, at the end you see him and jake loading up the humans back tot he ship. also Max is that MAN! Pssh I wouldn't mind being him. Atleast he get's to live on pandora. :( Do you find this valuable? |
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methos54 |
4. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:09 AM EST
"His avatar wasn't killed, at the end you see him and jake loading up the humans back tot he ship.Not sure what you mean.....Norm was in human form standing next to Max. Do you find this valuable? |
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Imsnoozin |
5. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:14 AM EST
"Not sure what you mean.....Norm was in human form standing next to Max."then who was in the avatar behind Jake when loading them up? I thought it was norm and it looked just like him. I'm not sure if there were still more people choosed to stay on Pandora? And I'm saying Max atleast got to stay on pandora. And norm's avatar didn't die. norm just woke up from shock of the bullet wound to the shoulder. then the link went offline. Do you find this valuable? |
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methos54 |
6. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:16 AM EST
"then who was in the avatar behind Jake when loading them up?Neytiri was standing next to Jake, and in the foreground was Norm and Max. Do you find this valuable? |
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Imsnoozin |
7. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:19 AM EST
"Neytiri was standing next to Jake, and in the foreground was Norm and Max."but there was a na'vi standing in the very back dressed in the outfit, that jake wore, when he got chased by the thanator. with one of the RDA guns. So I assumed it was norm. Well I dunno I got to watch the movie again. :) Do you find this valuable? |
Churchill51 |
8. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:29 AM EST
Pretty sure Norm was standing there in his human body. On the other question about other Avatar drivers permanently transferring their consciousness to their Avatars, maybe you also have to be chosen by Eywa since you essentially have to travel through her in order to permanently leave your human body.
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Imsnoozin |
9. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:32 AM EST
"Pretty sure Norm was standing there in his human body. On the other question about other Avatar drivers permanently transferring their consciousness to their Avatars, maybe you also have to be chosen by Eywa since you essentially have to travel through her in order to permanently leave your human body."True. But i'm telling you there was an avatar standing in the back of jake, with RDA outfit and gun. loading the humans back on earth. I think Norm and jake, and Max were the only one's chosen. But, i'm not 100% sure so I could be completely wrong. But who were the other humans helping except max and trudy!?!? But yeah there were still avatar link drivers i think still online during the fight? but..It's too confusing. Haha just forget it. you guys proved me wrong. Do you find this valuable? |
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methos54 |
10. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:35 AM EST
"True.Well now you have an excuse to watch it again.......in IMAX. Do you find this valuable? |
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victoryblade |
11. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:58 AM EST
Now that we've established that Norm's avatar died, how long will it probably take for him to get a new one?
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vanessa791 |
12. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 1:26 AM EST
OK, guys, when I saw the movie, I thought I saw a couple of avatars at the end helping escort the aliens off the planet that were scientists. You know there were quite a few of them in the program, we just didn't get to meet them. Norm was standing next to Max with an exomask on, I'm pretty sure, but I would like to believe that his avatar just needs to be healed before he can link back up to it. We don't know for a fact that his avatar is definitely dead, I saw him get shot in the shoulder area, it least that's what it looked like to me. That doesn't mean it's dead. I guess we will just have to wait & see if JC decides to keep Norm in the sequel or not. I had been wondering about whether or not he will keep the other avatar drivers in the sequel that stayed behind too. Like whether or not they can make the transfer thru Eywa permanently into the avatar bodies. If I were one of them & staying behind permanently on Pandora, I would definitely want to make the transfer so as to be able to thrive much better on the planet. Too bad for Max since he never had one & Norm, if his died.
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Darkah |
13. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 9:37 AM EST
"Now that we've established that Norm's avatar died, how long will it probably take for him to get a new one?"I'm still not convinced that Norm's avatar died. I'll have to watch it again. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Zahelu |
14. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 10:45 AM EST
Norm's Avatar ceased to function or respond after the wound, or what we humans would refer to as 'dead', otherwise he wouldn't be awakened/unlinked.Indeed there were plenty of other avatars, and I suppose these scientists were given the opportunity to stay back onto the planet for further studies or experiments, or perhaps learn and document the Na'vi ways. Btw, the Na'vi lang, there's no written form. Do you find this valuable? |
Tvsh |
15. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 12:37 PM EST
There are a plenty of explanations why Norm got disconnected. The most likely one is, that Norm manually switched off the linking chamber - there's most likely a manual 'off button', as some scenes showed, where the character disconnected him/herself (don't remember which scene it was, haven't seen the movie for a while :S ). Norm's felt the pain, so he disconnected himself.Other possibility is that the avatars automatically disconnect in case of serious injury - the person in the chamber could even die due to the pain and the false feelings. Last version is that all of the avatars have a receiver module built-in, which makes them able to link, and the shot hit some part of the system so the linking became impossible. But the avatar got shot into the shoulder, so probably Norm should be able to link, and he wasn't using his avatar in that boarding scene because the avatar needed some repair/medical treatment. But it's all up to Cameron, whether he wants Norm in avatar form or not. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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victoryblade |
16. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 1:20 PM EST
OK, whether Norm's avatar lived or died, he will return in the sequel. This time around, I expect he will have a much bigger role now that Grace and Trudy have died. The leaders of the plains clan and the ikran clan may have a greater significance in the sequel as well.
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Churchill51 |
17. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 1:44 PM EST
We know that when one goes to sleep in their Avatar body, then they awake in their human body. The reason I have that Norm lost his connection with his Avatar (if it isn't dead) is that yes he was shot and he went into shock, people pass out when in shock, so then Norm wakes up. That may be possibility to think about.
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Zahelu |
18. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 2:00 PM EST
I was thinking if indeed Norm's avatar recovered for the sequel, what if the plot revolved around Norm VS Jake? I mean Norm felt jealous that Jake got all the attention when Norm was the one who was supposed to go in and live with the Na'vi in the first place. There was initial tension before, it could resurface again. Do you find this valuable? |
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Churchill51 |
19. RE: Avatar won't be your ordinary trilogy
Feb 7 2010, 2:40 PM EST
"I was thinking if indeed Norm's avatar recovered for the sequel, what if the plot revolved around Norm VS Jake?I think that would be hilarious. Jake would kick the crap outta Norm. I think whatever quarrel Norm had with Jake ended before the battle. Do you find this valuable? |
