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vanessa791	Awards Mar 7 2010, 10:18 PM EST OK, Avatar just picked up it's 1st Oscar for Art Direction, & Sigourney got to present it. I am still hoping that it wins for best picture even if the favorite is The Hurt Locker. We all know who the real winner is regardless.. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
vanessa791	1. RE: Awards Mar 7 2010, 10:39 PM EST It just got Best Cinematography, whew. Had they given that one to The Hurt Locker like they did Sound Editing & Sound Mixing, I would have really believed the Academy was truly against Avatar for some reason. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TxonAtan	2. RE: Awards Mar 7 2010, 10:49 PM EST sweet! i'm glad Avatar won at least something...it would've been a major disappointment if it walked away with nothing after all of those nominations. However, i feel one important nomination was left out of Avatar's list....That for best actress for Zoe. She did beyond phenominal playing Neytiri, i can't even describe how amazing her acting was for the movie. I think it's really unfair to her that she didn't even get nominated for best actress. And by the way, can someone fill me in on all of the awards Avatar won once the Oscars are over? i didn't get a chance to watch it.... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
vanessa791	3. RE: Awards Mar 7 2010, 11:06 PM EST Hey I completely agree with you about Zoe, & I think I can speak for the rest of the people on this board, that they feel the same. Avatar's score should have won & it was beat out by the cutesy score of Up, an animated movie. Unbelievable. But, at least they won Best Visual Effects as their 3rd win. & no worries, I will be back to report any more wins while I am watching it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bi306b	4. RE: Awards Mar 7 2010, 11:11 PM EST "...However, i feel one important nomination was left out of Avatar's list....That for best actress for Zoe. She did beyond phenominal playing Neytiri, i can't even describe how amazing her acting was for the movie. I think it's really unfair to her that she didn't even get nominated for best actress...." As I posted on (http://www.tsahaylu.krazed-community.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=10&pid=211#post_211), "I really think that the idea of motion-capture acting is a bit ahead of its time, it will take a while for 'ordinary folks' to understand how rigorous this type of acting is when you are acting to a green screen and some props." I too thought that Zoe's range of emotion that she displayed (as evidenced by her voice cracking a few times) was so telling of the emotion... I thought she was really 'digging deep' to display and portray Neytiri... Zoe's acting was the reason why Neytiri is so real. the same thing for Sam... --bi306b. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bluealiens??	5. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 12:10 AM EST Really dissapointed Avatar didn't win best picture, I really liked Hurt Locker but I like Avatar a lot more ;}. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Darkah	6. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 12:12 AM EST Well that was disappointing, but It's just the way I thought it would go. AVATAR is just beyond their ability to SEE how good it is. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
victoryblade	7. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 12:32 AM EST I think the main reason the Academy didn't choose Avatar was because it is a Sci-Fi epic and those films are normally not percieved well by them. The voters tend to think of the movie as a technological breakthrough but completely disregard the story for what it is. Very disappointing that these movies don't get the credit they deserve. Look what happened with Star Wars. Anyways, I really don't think the Academy Awards changes anything. In 50+ years, people will still be watching Avatar. On the contrary, people will hear someone mention The Hurt Locker and think ?????. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Kalimaa	8. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 12:34 AM EST "Well that was disappointing, but It's just the way I thought it would go. AVATAR is just beyond their ability to SEE how good it is." Films that Hollywood does not like, understand, or are afraid of or are jealous of , always win the technicals, just so their lose of the bigger awards won't seem so obvious. I spent more than 25 years in that business(?) and can say for a fact that it is all political, under-the-table, back-room politics. Cameron understands that. But the awards mean nothing to the movie going public. I'm sorry the AVATAR cast and crew could not have been recognized more for their work, but I think the dollars and cents speak louder than a soon-to-tarnish statue. Also, much like Lord of the Rings, they may be waiting for the third film to recognize Cameron. Or not. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
vanessa791	9. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 1:01 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 1:01 AM EST I really hoped though they would do what JC had said in an interview & give best pic to Avatar even if they gave best director to Kathryn. But, that is very rare they do that. We know Avatar really won best picture of 2009, not to mention best picture of ALL TIME. & it will be truly hard to beat in years to come in my opinion anyway. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Valdamar	10. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 1:10 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 1:10 AM EST I am really disappointed that AVATAR did not pick up academy awards for best music, best director and best movie. It appears that there is a backlash against the new technology by traditional academy award voters. In this case the technology used in AVATAR enables a whole new range of stories with difficult settings to be told without the use of expensive sets and unwieldy costumes. However, the movie is not seen to be a movie with actors taking on traditional acting roles. I imagine that the use of this technology could be seen as a possible threat to the star status and the money that some actors obtain by acting in traditional films. For instance, the technology used in AVATAR could easily be used to replace actors at the push of a computer button, and by the use of cheaper substitute actors. To me the real test for a great movie is the fact that the movie has gone on to break box office ticket sale records mainly due to word of mouth recommendations, and multiple viewings, which is something that the Hurt Locker never did, or will ever do. Now many people have said the AVATAR has not broken box office records once inflation has been taken into account. This is a complicated thing to analyze because early pictures like Gone with the Wind had a monopoly on the screen viewing format and did not have to compete with other media outlets such as satellite, cable, videos, internet pirating, and television, etc. The best hope that I can offer from here on is to look at AVATAR as great movie using new technology that will take 1 or more sequels for the world movie going public and the movie industry to fall in love with. It should be kept in mind that the Lord of the Rings Trilogy won most of its awards at the end of the story. I suspect the same will happen with AVATAR and its original sequels. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
A.I.N.'s	11. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 7:08 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 7:08 AM EST Highest grossing film of all time worldwide, in what, 3 1/2 months? To date, $2,560,000,000. The Hurt locker oppened in June of 09 (approx 9 months ago) and has grossed $251,000,000 to date 10% of what AVATAR has. "The People" have spoken as to what the REAL best picture IS!!! Question: As I watch the Awards last night, I got the Impression that as the night went on and more and more "Jabs" (Or jealousy??) were thrown at AVATAR, J.C. appeared to become irritated. Anyone else get that impression as if he felt Everything AVATAR was being disrespected? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JordanMcQuay	12. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 9:02 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 9:02 AM EST " However, the movie is not seen to be a movie with actors taking on traditional acting roles. I imagine that the use of this technology could be seen as a possible threat to the star status and the money that some actors obtain by acting in traditional films. For instance, the technology used in AVATAR could easily be used to replace actors at the push of a computer button, and by the use of cheaper substitute actors. " I doubt "substitute" actors will take the place of "real" actors even with technology. I know there was film on this, but.... Stars bring in the viewers. Accomplished actors do a good to excellent job. The emotions portrayed by Avatar's actors were their emotions. The acting came through the technology. Films with "substitute" actors are already here. They are animated films. Even they need "real" actors for the voices. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JordanMcQuay	13. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 9:13 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 9:13 AM EST "Highest grossing film of all time worldwide, in what, 3 1/2 months? To date, $2,560,000,000. The Hurt locker oppened in June of 09 (approx 9 months ago) and has grossed $251,000,000 to date 10% of what AVATAR has. "The People" have spoken as to what the REAL best picture IS!!! " I watched the Awards with colleagues. As the Hurt Locker people accepted their award for Best Picture, one of my colleagues pointed out that the audience was not going nuts, as might be expected. The applause was polite rather than enthusiastic. Best Director? Okay, when I say the film I thought, "That was well directed." Did I recommend the film to anyone? No, because outside of being well directed, It is just another war film. Vets who have seen it say it is barely realistic. It must provide a little extra to the 'hurt" to the locker when once you realize you most likely got an award because the Academy felt Cameron was too full of himself. I understand a bunch of people didn't like his King of the World speech when Titanic won.. It was an insult to Casablanca to compare it to the Hurt Locker. Once had a solid story and fantastic acting that comes across even today. The Hurt Locker was rather dull after the first few bombs blew up. It easily made a point we all knew without seeing the movie. The war drags on with no real resolution. With Avatar, you walked out of the theater in a state of wonder saying, "wow!." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Darkah	14. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 11:58 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 12:03 PM EST "I think the main reason the Academy didn't choose Avatar was because it is a Sci-Fi epic and those films are normally not percieved well by them. The voters tend to think of the movie as a technological breakthrough but completely disregard the story for what it is. Very disappointing that these movies don't get the credit they deserve. Look what happened with Star Wars. Anyways, I really don't think the Academy Awards changes anything. In 50+ years, people will still be watching Avatar. On the contrary, people will hear someone mention The Hurt Locker and think ?????." If anyone even mentions The Hurt Locker. I think I read that The Hurt Locker is the lowest grossing film to ever get the Best movie oscar. That says a lot right there, popularity means nothing. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Darkah	15. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 12:10 PM EST "Highest grossing film of all time worldwide, in what, 3 1/2 months? To date, $2,560,000,000. The Hurt locker oppened in June of 09 (approx 9 months ago) and has grossed $251,000,000 to date 10% of what AVATAR has. "The People" have spoken as to what the REAL best picture IS!!! Question: As I watch the Awards last night, I got the Impression that as the night went on and more and more "Jabs" (Or jealousy??) were thrown at AVATAR, J.C. appeared to become irritated. Anyone else get that impression as if he felt Everything AVATAR was being disrespected?" After this past weekend it is at 2.6 Bill. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
victoryblade	16. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 3:43 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 3:43 PM EST If it makes anyone feel any better, last night's Oscars doesn't make a difference at all because everyone knows the Academy always makes THE WRONG CHOICES. It's just history repeating itself. That's why the Oscars always gets such low ratings. You can compare the world of cinema to our government. It is divided into three branches. The Oscar nominees are the executive branch. The critics and movie-goers are the legislative branch, with the critics representing the Senate and us movie-goers as the House of Representatives. The Academy is the judicial branch who, like the Supreme Court, makes a lot of bad decisions. You can also compare the Oscars to American Idol. More often than not, the runner up fares better than the actual winner. AVATAR also shows us that materialism is bad. So The Hurt Locker can take its "unobtanium", but AVATAR will keep its legacy. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
pasiphilo	17. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 5:11 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 6:01 PM EST I've seen both the Hurt Locker and Avatar (obviously) and, honestly... I love both films, and for different reasons. Did Avatar deserve to win instead? Perhaps. But comparing those movies is like comparing apples to oranges... no, it's like comparing marsupials to combustion engines. They're so completely different from one another. I shy away from equating a thing's popularity with merit. Just because a movie sells a billion dollars in movie tickets doesn't necessarily make it worthy of artistic or cultural praise. Reality TV, for example, is extremely popular... and complete rubbish. I do think Avatar has resonated deeply, on an emotional level, with many more people than most blockbuster films do, but I'm not convinced most of those sales aren't just from people "wowed" by the novel spectacle of Cameron's groundbreaking CG technology. I also don't put much stock in the Academy Awards, since, as far as I'm concerned, they're anything but objective. I read today that the largest voting demographic is actors, many of whom probably objected to a sci-fi film featuring CG characters possibly winning out over "flesh-and-blood" actors. We know those performances are real, but I detect a bit of Luddite-ism among the cinema industry elite. Avatar wins with us, and that's all that matters. We get to see it as often as we want, discuss how it touched us, and cherish its otherworldly magic forever. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
vanessa791	18. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 5:33 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 5:33 PM EST Wow, well said, everyone! I hated seeing Avatar only take 3 technical awards when we all know it deserved to win both best pic & director, but I knew it was going to be like that & no matter how hard I tried to prepare, it still bothered me when it was over. & yes I agree with the fact that we shouldn't put much stock in them or care, but I know it matters to JC & his cast & crew, so that is why it disappointed me more than anything else. By the way, I saw every one of the 10 films nominated & I agree with pasiphilo, The Hurt Locker was a very good movie, it deserved the nomination for both pic & director, but I thought the same thing, how can you compare those 2 films, since they are SO VERY different? I wish Hurt Locker had won last year, so Avatar could win this year without their competition. But like Kalimaa said earlier, I believe the Academy is very political & there are probably a lot of reasons they voted the way they did that we would not agree with. I too hope that he will at least win with either the 1st sequel or the final one like LotR did. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
hfhmilkman	19. RE: Awards Mar 8 2010, 7:22 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 7:22 PM EST "Wow, well said, everyone! I hated seeing Avatar only take 3 technical awards when we all know it deserved to win both best pic & director, but I knew it was going to be like that & no matter how hard I tried to prepare, it still bothered me when it was over. & yes I agree with the fact that we shouldn't put much stock in them or care, but I know it matters to JC & his cast & crew, so that is why it disappointed me more than anything else. By the way, I saw every one of the 10 films nominated & I agree with pasiphilo, The Hurt Locker was a very good movie, it deserved the nomination for both pic & director, but I thought the same thing, how can you compare those 2 films, since they are SO VERY different? I wish Hurt Locker had won last year, so Avatar could win this year without their competition. But like Kalimaa said earlier, I believe the Academy is very political & there are probably a lot of reasons they voted the way they did that we would not agree with. I too hope that he will at least win with either the 1st sequel or the final one like LotR did." I disagree that Avatar was the best picture of 09. It was a fabulous bit of eye candy. I was physically exhausted after watching the movie in 3D. However, from a perspective of a story, there was no new ground explored. I enjoyed the first 2/3'rds of the film. However, it seemed to me nobody really knew how to end the film. The entire conflict was contrived and the editing sloppy. The bad guys are incredibly irrational and stupid after establishing their competence along with their evil. Only the good guy along with one bad guy can be competant , touche. Despite 22nd century tech, much of it opperated at 1960's levels. What is this? Warhammer 40K? I want better for a best film. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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