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horsesmiths
horsesmiths
the re-release
Sep 11 2010, 12:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 11 2010, 12:50 PM EDT
Went and saw it twice in re-release at an IMAX.It was awesome. Besides being able to journey back to Pandora and visit with the charecters and aminals, the obvious perks, I was just amazed at the new added footage. Who the heck edited that out in the first place?? It made the movie that was already great, even better by several times. It fleshed out some of the things I'd been wondering about and I got to meet a whole new species of animal. The "buffalo" hunt footage was just fabulous. So to any and all of you who think you've already seen it, why go again - you haven't seen anything yet! Do you find this valuable?    
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TallLakota
TallLakota
1. RE: the re-release
Sep 12 2010, 12:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 12 2010, 12:12 PM EDT
The Buffalo hunt as excellent, so were some of the other new scenes. My only complaint is that they were interjected into the movie like TV commercails with no lead in or tie ins. The only new scene that fit in naturaly was the bonding scene between Jake and Neytiri. Do you find this valuable?    
horsesmiths
horsesmiths
2. RE: the re-release
Sep 14 2010, 8:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 14 2010, 8:55 PM EDT
hmm, I thought just the opposite. Right after the hunt scence Jake says that he is a stone cold hunter from the sky, it made more sense with the hunt proceeding that statement. I had thought it was a didjointed statement in the original version. The death scene after the war end seemed to be a natural spot for it to be also and I was pleased to find out how Tsu"tey died. I'd wondered about that in the original version because of the earlier scene when Neytiri and Jake fell and bounced off the leaves and were fine and again for Jake during the war. Do you find this valuable?    
Iknimaya
Iknimaya
3. RE: the re-release
Sep 17 2010, 12:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 17 2010, 12:45 PM EDT
"hmm, I thought just the opposite. Right after the hunt scence Jake says that he is a stone cold hunter from the sky, it made more sense with the hunt proceeding that statement. I had thought it was a didjointed statement in the original version. The death scene after the war end seemed to be a natural spot for it to be also and I was pleased to find out how Tsu"tey died. I'd wondered about that in the original version because of the earlier scene when Neytiri and Jake fell and bounced off the leaves and were fine and again for Jake during the war."
I loved the re-release, too (and like you, Horsesmiths, I saw it twice). I agree with you, also, that the hunting scene was well-integrated; it comes, after all, right after Jake has "tamed" his Ikran, so it is logical to then see him engaged in a hunt from the sky (we've already seen him hunt a Hexapede on foot, but now he can do so from the air, which does indeed make him more threatening--"a stone-cold hunter, death from above"). I heard Cameron say in an interview (which I accessed through Youtube), that all of the scenes that were new to us were in the original version of the film, but they decided that they simply didn't know how long people would be willing to sit in a theater with 3-D glasses on, so they excised them; this is why they seem to fit so well; they were part of the original. As for Tsu'tey's death, it was a bit different in the original script: originally, the grunt (I forget his name, Quaritch's right-hand man, the guy who says "Look at all that fresh meat!" and "O man, that is just wrong!" when he first sees the newest personnel arriving, and then Jake) in his ampsuit who finds Tsu'tey in the forest and then holds him up by his queue (as Quaritch does with Jake in the final version) and cuts it off. It's because he has no means of "connecting" to Ewya without his queue that he asks Jake to kill him.
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horsesmiths
horsesmiths
4. RE: the re-release
Sep 17 2010, 4:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 17 2010, 4:11 PM EDT
thanks Iknimaya, that was great info about the original script. I'm glad they changed it though. I was glad to see that right hand guy get crushed by the titanothere during the battle, didn't like him much right from the first words out of this mouth. Do you find this valuable?    
TallLakota
TallLakota
5. RE: the re-release
Sep 17 2010, 6:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 17 2010, 6:14 PM EDT
"hmm, I thought just the opposite. Right after the hunt scence Jake says that he is a stone cold hunter from the sky, it made more sense with the hunt proceeding that statement. I had thought it was a didjointed statement in the original version. The death scene after the war end seemed to be a natural spot for it to be also and I was pleased to find out how Tsu"tey died. I'd wondered about that in the original version because of the earlier scene when Neytiri and Jake fell and bounced off the leaves and were fine and again for Jake during the war."
The buffalo hunt, I felt need some kind of lead in, such as an inventation by Neytiri or Tse'tey, or at least some kind of for-mentioning of such a hunt. Jake then could of said: "Ather that hunt, I felt like a stone cold hunter from the sky". Good leadin for Tse'tey death was to show him hitting and falling through the forest below and the other warriors comming to his aid to help lead into and set the final death scene.
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TallLakota
TallLakota
6. RE: the re-release
Sep 17 2010, 6:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 17 2010, 6:38 PM EDT
One thing that realy bothered me about the Tse'tey Death Scene was how did Jake link to his avatar after the remote links were dissabled. The best and simples tie in would be to show Jake comming off line in the now abondoned main lab at the base. Then have Jake reffering to the fact he is the Leader of the Nav'vi in his last log entery. That was to big of an event for Jakehimself, to leave it out. Now maybe you know why I feel many scenes seem to be injerjected like TV commercials. However the integrity this this well made movie was not compormised. Do you find this valuable?    
Iknimaya
Iknimaya
7. RE: the re-release
Sep 18 2010, 11:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2010, 11:15 AM EDT
Those are good points, TallLakota, about how the hunt scene might have been even better integrated into the whole. There's another scene in the original script that I would have loved to see (though I don't know if they even filmed it): In the version we saw, Jake says to Quaritch that "there's one more thing" he has to do, namely go through the ceremony of becoming a member of the Omatikaya, but in the original that "one last thing" is actually yet another ordeal, or test, the last one a would-be warrior must pass after s/he's tamed their Ikran: They must ingest a strong hallucinogenic drug, and thereby enter a dream-state. Some die in the experience. But Jake's "dream" was a view from above of burnt earth, after which the camera then recedes showing an enormous eye which is gradually revealed to be that of a Leonopterix. This would have been a wonderful means of foreshadowing (no pun intended--"Last Shadow") both the burning of Hometree and Jake's becoming the Torok Maktor. Don't misunderstand--I LOVE the re-released version; it's just that, having read the original script, there's even more I wish had been in the final version. Do you find this valuable?    
TallLakota
TallLakota
8. RE: the re-release
Sep 18 2010, 12:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2010, 12:25 PM EDT
That would have been an Excellent scene. To qutoe from another post here is an excellent lead in to Tse'tey asking Jake ot kill him........in his ampsuit who finds Tsu'tey in the forest and then holds him up by his queue (as Quaritch does with Jake in the final version) and cuts it off. It's because he has no means of "connecting" to Ewya without his queue that he asks Jake to kill him. .......Avatar is a well made movie because Cameron held it together with this kind of tie in. When the new scens were inserted without tie ins or previous reffereces, they seemed like TV Commercials being injected into the movie. Do you find this valuable?    
Iknimaya
Iknimaya
9. RE: the re-release
Sep 18 2010, 2:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2010, 2:51 PM EDT
I think it's interesting that we all react somewhat differently to the newest (or original) version, and yet all agree that it's still terrific. there's no need for each of us to justify our reactions, but comparing them is indeed thought-provoking. I wonder if the impression of the new scenes as separate or foreign units might not be attributable to the fact that we had all become so familiar with the version released in December 2009, so much so that the parts that were added to the re-release (those "new" 9 minutes) would inevitably have to stand out, even if they were originally intended to be in the movie released last December. In other words, perhaps it's more a function of our not being used to them than of the scenes not being well integrated that we're reacting to. Cameron said in a recent interview that all of the "new" (= original) scenes are on Pandora because so many fans had said that that they missed being there, and wished there had been more time spent there than in the 2009 version. He also said that the new 9 minutes had the best computer graphics of the entire film. But as I said, we're each entitled to our own opinion, but it's a lot of fun that we all nonetheless are in agreement that it's wonderful to be able to go back to Pandora. Do you find this valuable?    
TallLakota
TallLakota
10. RE: the re-release
Sep 18 2010, 4:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2010, 4:09 PM EDT
It is not because I was accustomed to the original version. The scenes we deisscussed were great and would fit in well if there was some lead ups and tie ins before and/or after the new scenes. So I did not feel they did not feel like they did not belong, I just felt the introductions were to abrupt. I agree though, Avatar is an excelent movie. Do you find this valuable?    
horsesmiths
horsesmiths
11. RE: the re-release
Sep 19 2010, 4:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2010, 4:18 PM EDT
"I think it's interesting that we all react somewhat differently to the newest (or original) version, and yet all agree that it's still terrific. there's no need for each of us to justify our reactions, but comparing them is indeed thought-provoking. I wonder if the impression of the new scenes as separate or foreign units might not be attributable to the fact that we had all become so familiar with the version released in December 2009, so much so that the parts that were added to the re-release (those "new" 9 minutes) would inevitably have to stand out, even if they were originally intended to be in the movie released last December. In other words, perhaps it's more a function of our not being used to them than of the scenes not being well integrated that we're reacting to. Cameron said in a recent interview that all of the "new" (= original) scenes are on Pandora because so many fans had said that that they missed being there, and wished there had been more time spent there than in the 2009 version. He also said that the new 9 minutes had the best computer graphics of the entire film. But as I said, we're each entitled to our own opinion, but it's a lot of fun that we all nonetheless are in agreement that it's wonderful to be able to go back to Pandora."
well said Iknimaya. I've watched the original so many times that I've (finally) got to the point that I can sit through a showing tearless unless I want to let my self go. BUT the new scenes were a different story for me, I cried both tears of joy and sadness over them. Have you heard anything about a re-release DVD?
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Iknimaya
Iknimaya
12. RE: the re-release
Sep 19 2010, 5:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2010, 5:44 PM EDT
Thank you, Horsesmiths. No, I haven't heard anything about a re-release DVD, but then, even if I had, it's not really my cup of tea. I've made a point of not purchasing the one already out, because 1) I don't have a large, fabulous, and 3-D home theater, just a middle-of-the-road flat-screen TV + DVD player, and 2) even if I did have all of that, I suspect I still wouldn't purchase the DVD already available, if only for the reason that I'd be worried about experiencing exactly what you describe. In other words, I only want my experience of the film to be overwhelming, which (for me) can only occur if I see it in a large theater (preferably an IMAX) with an excellent sound system and screen, and only if it's been long enough since I last saw the film that the novelty is still there. I've now seen the original twice in a "normal" cinema with 3-D, and four times in an IMAX (all within about a month), and the new re-released version twice, once in an IMAX and once in a regular cinema with 3-D (in a little over a week). At the end of that first run, I began to experience moments that didn't keep me spellbound, and that's what I'm afraid would be the case were I to see it at home, because I'd doubtless want to watch my favorite parts too often. When I saw it recently, enough time had gone by since I had last seen it that the wonder was there again. The down side of this inanity is that it will now be a long time before we can see it again in a cinema; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not released again until the sequel comes out (allegedly late 2013 or 2014), which is much longer than I'll want to wait! By then I'll have no worry about being excited again! Do you own the DVD of the 2009 version? What are your thoughts on the matter? Do you find this valuable?    
horsesmiths
horsesmiths
13. RE: the re-release
Sep 22 2010, 2:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 22 2010, 2:03 PM EDT
I watch Avatar at home, sometimes even on my small tv in the bedroom when I go to bed. Just seeing it in any form brings into my mind how glorious it is in 3D on the big screen. I have the same memories and feelings listening to the CD in the truck (although I do sometimes miss my turns and destinations). I guess I'm just wanting to return to Pandora all the time for regular visits. I'd move there if that was possible. Do you find this valuable?    
TallLakota
TallLakota
14. RE: the re-release
Sep 22 2010, 5:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 22 2010, 5:25 PM EDT
Try watching your Avatar DVD on your Laptop Computer using magnifying reading glasses (2x) and head phones. The reading glasses give a 3D effect and makes the computer screen big like that in a Theater. The stereo headphones give a surround sould like the theater. Try it..it works! 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
horsesmiths
horsesmiths
15. RE: the re-release
Sep 22 2010, 7:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 22 2010, 7:37 PM EDT
"Try watching your Avatar DVD on your Laptop Computer using magnifying reading glasses (2x) and head phones. The reading glasses give a 3D effect and makes the computer screen big like that in a Theater. The stereo headphones give a surround sould like the theater. Try it..it works!"
THANKS TalLakota, I'll give it a try. We just bought a laptop about 2 weeks ago and so far I'm not liking it compared to the desktop I'm used to, it'll be great if this works out as you say, I'll have a good use for the laptop at home.
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Kalimaa
16. RE: the re-release
Sep 22 2010, 10:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 22 2010, 10:59 PM EDT
"Try watching your Avatar DVD on your Laptop Computer using magnifying reading glasses (2x) and head phones. The reading glasses give a 3D effect and makes the computer screen big like that in a Theater. The stereo headphones give a surround sould like the theater. Try it..it works!"
It definitely works, although I do the same thing with mysmall televison. I use the reading glasses and headphones, turn off all the lights and make the room pitch black. I sit as close to the screen as is reasonable, and immerse myself. Hope I'm not ruining my eyes and hearing any more they're already ruined. but it's the best way to view the film outside of a theatre. Thanks TallLakota.
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TallLakota
TallLakota
17. RE: the re-release
Sep 23 2010, 1:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 23 2010, 1:10 PM EDT
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oldgringo2001
oldgringo2001
18. The Extended Version
Nov 26 2010, 5:53 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 26 2010, 5:53 AM EST
Yes, I got the 3-disk Blu-ray--and it won't play on my 18-month-old HP Touchsmart with an Optiarc BC-5600S drive. I've tried every firmware update I could find. Anyone else have problems like this?

However, thanks the folks at P_____B__, I do have a full copy of the extended edition, and I'll summarize the differences between it and the original release.

Instead of beginning with Jake arriving at Pandora, it begins on Earth. Jake wakes up in his shoebox-sized apartment, goes to a bar, gets in a fight, gets thrown out, and gets found by the RDA suits. The crematorium is shown as an enormous facility with something like a hundred ovens--which says a lot about how many bodies have to be disposed of every day. The dialogue is expanded, and there is a change: Instead of a gun, Tommy is killed with a knife. Exactly why this change was made is an interesting question.

Before the thanator chase, there is a scene at the abandoned school, where Grace begins to tell Sully about what happened there. Later Grace tells Jake that Neytiri's sister Silwanin was shot in the school in front of Neytiri.

There's a sequence between the landing at the remote site and entering the modules. Jake looks up as he wheels through the grass, and a voiceover explains that the mountains float because they have a lot of unobtanium, which, as a room-temperature superconductor, floats in a magnetic field.

After the battle with Quaritch, Jake and Neytiri meet with Tsu'tey, who has survived his fall but is either dying or doesn't see any point in living on (the script explains that his queue is cut, so he can't link any more). Tsu'tey insist that Jake become the chief of the tribe, and that Jake become his "last shadow"--that is, the one that kills him.
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horsesmiths
horsesmiths
19. RE: The Extended Version
Nov 27 2010, 4:10 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 27 2010, 4:10 PM EST
I went and bought the Re-release DVD and watched the super extended version and was pleased with the new beginning and the rest of the added footage. Of course there's no such thing as bad Avatar footage for me. I'd be trckled to death if they stretched it out to 10 hours or so. ;-)
I really loked the new footage on the 3rd disk. I had wondered how the accomploshed the avatar bodies etc. That non-used footage in various stages of completion answered some of that for me. I recommend the new 3 disk set. It'll make any Avatar fan an "outstanding" (per Jake) Christmas gift.
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